1 00:00:19,140 --> 00:00:17,280 and these microphones were basically 2 00:00:21,690 --> 00:00:19,150 listening to top secrets Russian 3 00:00:24,950 --> 00:00:21,700 submarines and the whole operation was 4 00:00:26,910 --> 00:00:24,960 called Project SOSUS sound surveillance 5 00:00:28,710 --> 00:00:26,920 and if you go to the public records 6 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:28,720 office in Kew you can look through and 7 00:00:32,580 --> 00:00:30,610 see all the documents as to how this how 8 00:00:34,620 --> 00:00:32,590 that our government agreed to take this 9 00:00:35,580 --> 00:00:34,630 station at the time and the effective is 10 00:00:37,980 --> 00:00:35,590 going to have on the local population 11 00:00:40,350 --> 00:00:37,990 they were really really really concerned 12 00:00:44,729 --> 00:00:40,360 about the effect it would have on the 13 00:00:47,790 --> 00:00:44,739 local population so why weren't they 14 00:00:51,540 --> 00:00:47,800 concerned when hundreds of sightings 15 00:00:54,030 --> 00:00:51,550 started pouring in of objects which were 16 00:00:56,700 --> 00:00:54,040 completely unidentified landing in 17 00:01:01,350 --> 00:00:56,710 people's blabbing in people's back 18 00:01:03,300 --> 00:01:01,360 gardens didn't make any sense well we 19 00:01:10,190 --> 00:01:03,310 now know the truth they were extremely 20 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:10,200 concerned because a letter came to light 21 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:14,770 which some of you may have seen but this 22 00:01:23,239 --> 00:01:18,850 letter basically is sent by an official 23 00:01:28,109 --> 00:01:23,249 working at the Ministry of Defense and 24 00:01:31,919 --> 00:01:28,119 it's a letter to the RAF police and it 25 00:01:36,660 --> 00:01:31,929 reads it's dated 14th of June 1977 and 26 00:01:39,569 --> 00:01:36,670 it says we've not invoked the assistance 27 00:01:44,129 --> 00:01:39,579 of the provost and security services on 28 00:01:46,050 --> 00:01:44,139 ufos before and as i explained on the 29 00:01:48,389 --> 00:01:46,060 telephone the last thing i want to do is 30 00:01:50,609 --> 00:01:48,399 to involve you in problems which would 31 00:01:54,270 --> 00:01:50,619 divert you from your more immediate work 32 00:01:58,080 --> 00:01:54,280 on low-flying complaints but he goes on 33 00:02:00,510 --> 00:01:58,090 and he says well the standard procedure 34 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:00,520 on UFOs is to send reports to the 35 00:02:04,050 --> 00:02:02,170 various specialist authorities and the 36 00:02:06,389 --> 00:02:04,060 MRD to make sure that they contain no 37 00:02:07,889 --> 00:02:06,399 items of Defense and nothing has come to 38 00:02:11,930 --> 00:02:07,899 light to suggest anything untoward in 39 00:02:15,780 --> 00:02:11,940 Wales important point then he says I 40 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:15,790 confess however that I find the 41 00:02:20,640 --> 00:02:17,970 correspondence a little puzzling 42 00:02:22,830 --> 00:02:20,650 according to the press cuttings some of 43 00:02:25,660 --> 00:02:22,840 the witnesses of people who might be 44 00:02:28,640 --> 00:02:25,670 expected to be a fairly level-headed 45 00:02:33,199 --> 00:02:28,650 and the local MP has been inundated with 46 00:02:35,540 --> 00:02:33,209 inquiries he then says I should be 47 00:02:38,210 --> 00:02:35,550 grateful if you would have a look at 48 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:38,220 these papers and let me know whether you 49 00:02:43,910 --> 00:02:41,970 think there may be some need for a 50 00:02:47,060 --> 00:02:43,920 discreet inquiry but it would be 51 00:02:53,300 --> 00:02:47,070 worthwhile and if your staff could find 52 00:02:54,979 --> 00:02:53,310 the time be then finishes his letter 53 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:54,989 it's talking about whether or not there 54 00:03:01,330 --> 00:02:57,170 is evidence for a more serious 55 00:03:04,610 --> 00:03:01,340 specialist inquiry anchor and finishes I 56 00:03:06,890 --> 00:03:04,620 have not committed you in any way and I 57 00:03:11,479 --> 00:03:06,900 have not even told the minister 58 00:03:13,550 --> 00:03:11,489 I am consulting you well the minister 59 00:03:17,449 --> 00:03:13,560 was the one answering parliamentary 60 00:03:20,180 --> 00:03:17,459 questions on this I think that's 61 00:03:23,060 --> 00:03:20,190 actually quite curious firstly because 62 00:03:27,949 --> 00:03:23,070 it means it shows basically that the old 63 00:03:30,530 --> 00:03:27,959 adage ignorance is bliss rings true the 64 00:03:33,140 --> 00:03:30,540 minister was unable to give the truth 65 00:03:35,870 --> 00:03:33,150 because plausible deniability applied 66 00:03:39,830 --> 00:03:35,880 the officials at the mo D hadn't told 67 00:03:42,350 --> 00:03:39,840 him but I understand why they were 68 00:03:49,699 --> 00:03:42,360 interested because as I said Wes Wells 69 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:49,709 was a very very very vulnerable space at 70 00:03:58,880 --> 00:03:55,010 that time and researched released since 71 00:04:01,850 --> 00:03:58,890 1977 has shown that Wales and West Wales 72 00:04:04,610 --> 00:04:01,860 in particular was a nuclear on the 73 00:04:08,449 --> 00:04:04,620 nuclear strike list for the Soviets and 74 00:04:12,759 --> 00:04:08,459 it's not hard to see why so why did 75 00:04:17,719 --> 00:04:12,769 these UFOs wherever they come from 76 00:04:19,490 --> 00:04:17,729 choose this part of Wales is it because 77 00:04:21,349 --> 00:04:19,500 of the work that we were doing there 78 00:04:25,730 --> 00:04:21,359 it's a question that you could 79 00:04:27,350 --> 00:04:25,740 legitimately apply to the landing of an 80 00:04:30,980 --> 00:04:27,360 unexplained object in Rendlesham forest 81 00:04:34,159 --> 00:04:30,990 in December 1980 because of course those 82 00:04:37,010 --> 00:04:34,169 spaces weren't just holding nuclear 83 00:04:40,050 --> 00:04:37,020 weapons as we know now but 84 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:40,060 were located in close proximity to 85 00:04:46,950 --> 00:04:43,330 top-secret radar installations as well 86 00:04:49,830 --> 00:04:46,960 and radar research and there's a great 87 00:04:51,210 --> 00:04:49,840 deal of speculation that I don't want to 88 00:04:53,820 --> 00:04:51,220 go into really but a great deal of 89 00:04:55,770 --> 00:04:53,830 speculation about the nature of that 90 00:04:58,400 --> 00:04:55,780 research and what it might have had to 91 00:05:00,540 --> 00:04:58,410 do with the object they saw in the woods 92 00:05:06,260 --> 00:05:00,550 and you can draw your own conclusions 93 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:06,270 about that but I did have to ask myself 94 00:05:14,100 --> 00:05:09,250 why is it that these objects disappears 95 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:14,110 in situ and vanish and this probably 96 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:15,850 isn't a popular theory amongst people 97 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:17,770 who would like to believe that there is 98 00:05:23,820 --> 00:05:20,530 there are tangible objects visiting us 99 00:05:25,650 --> 00:05:23,830 from outer space but that sort of 100 00:05:28,170 --> 00:05:25,660 behavior these images these objects that 101 00:05:30,270 --> 00:05:28,180 can sort of slip in and out on radar 102 00:05:32,540 --> 00:05:30,280 implies to me something that's more 103 00:05:36,900 --> 00:05:32,550 paranormal in nature than it is 104 00:05:38,490 --> 00:05:36,910 nuts-and-bolts having said that who's to 105 00:05:41,610 --> 00:05:38,500 say that another very advanced 106 00:05:43,410 --> 00:05:41,620 nuts-and-bolts craft hasn't perfected 107 00:05:44,910 --> 00:05:43,420 the ability to do these things which are 108 00:05:50,610 --> 00:05:44,920 beyond our understanding 109 00:05:52,860 --> 00:05:50,620 it's certainly beyond mine and on that 110 00:05:55,140 --> 00:05:52,870 note but I'd like to do is to open the 111 00:06:07,310 --> 00:05:55,150 floor to some questions because I think 112 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:21,930 yes about the same time yes at the same 113 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:37,710 well I am I'm aware that there was 114 00:06:43,020 --> 00:06:41,050 certainly sightings of Ogawa and one of 115 00:06:44,850 --> 00:06:43,030 the one of the sightings was the one I 116 00:06:47,010 --> 00:06:44,860 referred to earlier about the boys who'd 117 00:06:50,310 --> 00:06:47,020 seen something in their field and his 118 00:06:52,230 --> 00:06:50,320 father was in Bishop's turn another 119 00:06:54,570 --> 00:06:52,240 sighting actually occurred to an artist 120 00:06:59,460 --> 00:06:54,580 there being very very very near there 121 00:07:01,410 --> 00:06:59,470 and she I'm not referring to its mr. 122 00:07:06,330 --> 00:07:01,420 Petts I'm not referring to him another 123 00:07:08,820 --> 00:07:06,340 artist - she lived on on North Way 124 00:07:11,460 --> 00:07:08,830 actually on the road their turn to cower 125 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:11,470 and she was doing the washing up one 126 00:07:19,350 --> 00:07:17,290 afternoon and she said she became aware 127 00:07:23,970 --> 00:07:19,360 of an object flying immediately overhead 128 00:07:25,290 --> 00:07:23,980 and she ran out into the garden and she 129 00:07:28,860 --> 00:07:25,300 looked up and she said it was a 130 00:07:33,810 --> 00:07:28,870 spherical shaped object again brushed 131 00:07:35,610 --> 00:07:33,820 gray aluminium and she said the phrase 132 00:07:37,410 --> 00:07:35,620 but sticks in my mind and this is a long 133 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:37,420 time ago but I'm just using the words 134 00:07:43,850 --> 00:07:39,850 that she used she said the underneath of 135 00:07:47,159 --> 00:07:43,860 the craft was composed of many shining 136 00:07:50,610 --> 00:07:47,169 radiating filaments the word she used 137 00:07:52,470 --> 00:07:50,620 radiating filaments which made it sound 138 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:52,480 like a very intricate object and this 139 00:07:59,490 --> 00:07:55,810 was very shortly after the or maybe even 140 00:08:04,380 --> 00:07:59,500 the same day as amber Everson sighting 141 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:04,390 in in Bishop stone there were sightings 142 00:08:17,750 --> 00:08:12,850 over our much later in 1996 898 in 143 00:08:22,110 --> 00:08:17,760 October 1980 almost 21 years later and 144 00:08:26,250 --> 00:08:22,120 those sightings were queried by our been 145 00:08:28,740 --> 00:08:26,260 Member of Parliament Martin cotton who 146 00:08:33,980 --> 00:08:28,750 actually put the questions down at my 147 00:08:36,540 --> 00:08:33,990 request at the time and those questions 148 00:08:38,670 --> 00:08:36,550 pertain to a series of lights that have 149 00:08:42,750 --> 00:08:38,680 been seen over Gareth at night which 150 00:08:47,180 --> 00:08:42,760 were pursued by two seeking helicopters 151 00:08:51,060 --> 00:08:47,190 both of those one of those helicopters 152 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:51,070 landed at Swansea Airport on the night 153 00:08:57,660 --> 00:08:56,290 of the incident and quite frankly the 154 00:08:59,250 --> 00:08:57,670 details of what happened at Swansea 155 00:09:01,439 --> 00:08:59,260 Airport like that like something out of 156 00:09:02,009 --> 00:09:01,449 The X Files I'll go into what happened 157 00:09:07,889 --> 00:09:02,019 in a minute 158 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:07,899 but the point is that many many people 159 00:09:14,550 --> 00:09:09,610 over Gareth at night saw something and 160 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:14,560 the mo D attributed it to a military 161 00:09:23,189 --> 00:09:20,410 exercise essentially which it could have 162 00:09:25,769 --> 00:09:23,199 been who knows but what what is 163 00:09:28,050 --> 00:09:25,779 interesting is that shortly after the 164 00:09:31,079 --> 00:09:28,060 event I I was lucky enough to speak to 165 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:31,089 somebody who worked at the airport who 166 00:09:38,550 --> 00:09:33,370 told me that the objects had been 167 00:09:41,100 --> 00:09:38,560 tracked on radar I didn't I didn't see 168 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:41,110 any sort of hard evidence of that so I 169 00:09:43,889 --> 00:09:42,730 can't tell you if that's true I'm just 170 00:09:49,550 --> 00:09:43,899 telling you what I was told 171 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:49,560 and I was told that the airport 172 00:09:58,290 --> 00:09:53,610 that night was visited by a large 173 00:10:02,100 --> 00:09:58,300 unmarked car which was dark and which 174 00:10:05,670 --> 00:10:02,110 was parked on the runway without without 175 00:10:07,790 --> 00:10:05,680 official clearance to be there and had 176 00:10:10,290 --> 00:10:07,800 its headlights switched to full beam and 177 00:10:13,079 --> 00:10:10,300 that one of the helicopters which had 178 00:10:16,350 --> 00:10:13,089 been involved in these maneuvers used 179 00:10:20,970 --> 00:10:16,360 that beam to land from the car to land 180 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:20,980 at the airport that night now I have no 181 00:10:27,660 --> 00:10:25,930 idea what was going on but I have no 182 00:10:29,250 --> 00:10:27,670 doubt that it that happened because I 183 00:10:30,809 --> 00:10:29,260 was one of the people who saw it I saw 184 00:10:34,410 --> 00:10:30,819 one of these helicopters and lights 185 00:10:39,509 --> 00:10:34,420 myself so but many people did the 186 00:10:41,220 --> 00:10:39,519 coastguard saw it and of course it was 187 00:10:43,710 --> 00:10:41,230 all it was order some military exercise 188 00:10:46,620 --> 00:10:43,720 but they can tell you at the time it 189 00:10:49,829 --> 00:10:46,630 felt very different to that but again 190 00:10:52,350 --> 00:10:49,839 it's it's it's one of those events which 191 00:10:58,140 --> 00:10:52,360 hasn't been explained 192 00:11:00,910 --> 00:10:58,150 another question government yes if we 193 00:11:02,650 --> 00:11:00,920 believe and what we're told French 194 00:11:07,140 --> 00:11:02,660 government the South American government 195 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:07,150 etc etc a very reminded about UFOs 196 00:11:11,860 --> 00:11:09,290 that's what we led to believe would you 197 00:11:13,090 --> 00:11:11,870 agree with that well not which was the 198 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:13,100 other government you mentioned South 199 00:11:17,710 --> 00:11:16,730 American obviously laughter I know there 200 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:17,720 are lots of countries in South America 201 00:11:24,430 --> 00:11:20,090 obviously but but what the point of 202 00:11:27,820 --> 00:11:24,440 making is if there there's a fair about 203 00:11:31,780 --> 00:11:27,830 it why the British and possibly the 204 00:11:33,670 --> 00:11:31,790 Americans so secretive what's good what 205 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:33,680 did would be you would assume that 206 00:11:40,030 --> 00:11:35,330 they'd all be saved in the same hymn 207 00:11:41,710 --> 00:11:40,040 sheet or not yeah well I think it's a 208 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:41,720 good question so firstly yes I would 209 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:43,250 agree that there are many governments 210 00:11:48,220 --> 00:11:46,130 who are far more minded about it and the 211 00:11:50,650 --> 00:11:48,230 French certainly but I think they're 212 00:11:52,690 --> 00:11:50,660 their official investigative group is 213 00:11:54,930 --> 00:11:52,700 still ongoing actually I think I'm not 214 00:11:58,530 --> 00:11:54,940 sure they ever disband it but the 215 00:12:01,870 --> 00:11:58,540 Belgium the Belgians of course have been 216 00:12:03,790 --> 00:12:01,880 but were extremely historically vocal 217 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:03,800 about a series of sightings the wave of 218 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:05,690 triangular-shaped UFOs that were seen 219 00:12:12,370 --> 00:12:09,490 over over Belgium and that fateful night 220 00:12:14,290 --> 00:12:12,380 and so much so that they went on bloody 221 00:12:18,310 --> 00:12:14,300 national television and show people 222 00:12:21,190 --> 00:12:18,320 their radar tapes so yes I would agree 223 00:12:24,610 --> 00:12:21,200 that some governments are more I'm more 224 00:12:27,250 --> 00:12:24,620 open about it the question of why some 225 00:12:30,220 --> 00:12:27,260 governments are not I think it basically 226 00:12:35,170 --> 00:12:30,230 boils down to what those governments 227 00:12:36,580 --> 00:12:35,180 might have to gain so and I'm just 228 00:12:41,020 --> 00:12:36,590 talking off the top of my head here I 229 00:12:42,810 --> 00:12:41,030 heard I but I do believe that it's quite 230 00:12:46,690 --> 00:12:42,820 possible that the more developed 231 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:46,700 countries militarily may have more more 232 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:49,850 at stake and I think what I mean by that 233 00:12:55,450 --> 00:12:53,330 is there there are obviously military 234 00:12:57,580 --> 00:12:55,460 learnings that the government and our 235 00:12:59,410 --> 00:12:57,590 armed forces can make from this 236 00:13:03,310 --> 00:12:59,420 phenomenon and indeed that's what 237 00:13:05,020 --> 00:13:03,320 project condign and it is really well 238 00:13:07,630 --> 00:13:05,030 worth a little read if you can go and 239 00:13:09,900 --> 00:13:07,640 download it from the mo DS website is is 240 00:13:13,450 --> 00:13:09,910 really well worth well worth a look 241 00:13:16,050 --> 00:13:13,460 because it shows that the government has 242 00:13:19,170 --> 00:13:16,060 considered learning from this phenomenon 243 00:13:21,610 --> 00:13:19,180 to apply to military applications and 244 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:21,620 and I would suggest that's probably why 245 00:13:25,450 --> 00:13:23,210 they were they weren't they're probably 246 00:13:26,830 --> 00:13:25,460 more secret about it I'm certainly not 247 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:26,840 proposing that the government has a 248 00:13:38,110 --> 00:13:34,730 crashed flying saucer in a hangar I also 249 00:13:43,210 --> 00:13:38,120 think that the mo D has been quite canny 250 00:13:46,660 --> 00:13:43,220 in how they've dealt with this so the 251 00:13:48,540 --> 00:13:46,670 term unidentified flying object has 252 00:13:51,430 --> 00:13:48,550 basically been dispensed with and 253 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:51,440 unidentified aerial phenomena and 254 00:13:58,930 --> 00:13:54,530 there's no common parlance in government 255 00:14:00,400 --> 00:13:58,940 well certainly in the mo D but the 256 00:14:02,260 --> 00:14:00,410 effect of doing that it's actually quite 257 00:14:04,690 --> 00:14:02,270 convenient because if somebody decides 258 00:14:06,940 --> 00:14:04,700 to place a Freedom of Information Act 259 00:14:09,940 --> 00:14:06,950 request asking for information that our 260 00:14:14,170 --> 00:14:09,950 government has on UFOs basically means 261 00:14:15,820 --> 00:14:14,180 they can quite legitimately say because 262 00:14:17,650 --> 00:14:15,830 you didn't ask for unidentified aerial 263 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:17,660 phenomena all right and how many people 264 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:19,250 in the general public are going to be 265 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:20,290 thinking oh I know 266 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:23,090 unidentified aerial phenomena Hillary 267 00:14:27,430 --> 00:14:24,890 Clinton used the term recently in an 268 00:14:30,100 --> 00:14:27,440 interview and made the point that that 269 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:30,110 is the phrase that she's aware of so 270 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:31,370 she's obviously been briefed on the 271 00:14:39,700 --> 00:14:36,970 subject by her campaign manager but it's 272 00:14:40,990 --> 00:14:39,710 it's certainly you know it's a clever 273 00:14:42,730 --> 00:14:41,000 way of getting around stuff I've never 274 00:14:43,060 --> 00:14:42,740 heard the term did he mention it oh 275 00:14:46,530 --> 00:14:43,070 really 276 00:14:49,390 --> 00:14:46,540 no no unidentified aerial phenomena and 277 00:14:53,410 --> 00:14:49,400 the other point worth mentioning is that 278 00:14:55,030 --> 00:14:53,420 the way in which they they they the 279 00:14:57,430 --> 00:14:55,040 government will investigate reports of 280 00:15:00,100 --> 00:14:57,440 this sort of thing is that they will 281 00:15:03,010 --> 00:15:00,110 often consult a private contractor a 282 00:15:05,740 --> 00:15:03,020 private contractor who runs our radar 283 00:15:07,210 --> 00:15:05,750 systems in the UK whereas the government 284 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:07,220 is obliged to give you whatever 285 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:09,530 information that you asked for or at 286 00:15:16,759 --> 00:15:11,250 least to consider it 287 00:15:18,769 --> 00:15:16,769 this private contractor isn't so I do 288 00:15:21,590 --> 00:15:18,779 think that I do think there is a 289 00:15:23,449 --> 00:15:21,600 possibility that the government although 290 00:15:25,309 --> 00:15:23,459 I hope you working at the Emma D and I 291 00:15:27,980 --> 00:15:25,319 know they haven't eCos than their UFO 292 00:15:31,069 --> 00:15:27,990 desk although that's all well and true 293 00:15:33,139 --> 00:15:31,079 it doesn't mean they're not employing an 294 00:15:37,030 --> 00:15:33,149 external agency to continue this work 295 00:15:40,550 --> 00:15:37,040 and I wouldn't discount that possibility 296 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:40,560 thank you okay many years ago you know 297 00:15:45,170 --> 00:15:41,730 when you first started becoming 298 00:15:46,759 --> 00:15:45,180 inquisitive many strange things happen 299 00:15:50,410 --> 00:15:46,769 to because I mean I know I've had 300 00:16:06,280 --> 00:15:50,420 numerous accounts of sleep paralysis 301 00:16:14,150 --> 00:16:08,920 just wondering if anything strangers 302 00:16:17,090 --> 00:16:14,160 since you started I I'm so I'm certainly 303 00:16:19,999 --> 00:16:17,100 aware of a great many people so John 304 00:16:22,850 --> 00:16:20,009 keel John keel is a researcher read his 305 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:22,860 books it's yeah really really good 306 00:16:27,439 --> 00:16:24,930 example of somebody who's looked at this 307 00:16:30,379 --> 00:16:27,449 phenomenon and encountered many many 308 00:16:32,509 --> 00:16:30,389 many strange things I think the problem 309 00:16:34,519 --> 00:16:32,519 with these sorts of experiences as I so 310 00:16:36,679 --> 00:16:34,529 I always say to people there's nobody 311 00:16:39,499 --> 00:16:36,689 who wants to see it more than I do 312 00:16:42,290 --> 00:16:39,509 because you know I write about it I I 313 00:16:44,030 --> 00:16:42,300 love I love everything about these sorts 314 00:16:45,860 --> 00:16:44,040 of subjects is why I write about them 315 00:16:49,369 --> 00:16:45,870 I've never seen a ghost 316 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:49,379 I've certainly never seen up close you 317 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:51,930 know a landed UFO or a flying saucer 318 00:16:57,499 --> 00:16:53,490 I've seen some unexplained lights but I 319 00:16:58,939 --> 00:16:57,509 would imagine many people have and 320 00:17:00,309 --> 00:16:58,949 there's no so do i but i will say is 321 00:17:03,679 --> 00:17:00,319 this nobody wants to see it more than me 322 00:17:06,110 --> 00:17:03,689 and I'm not really in the same way that 323 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:06,120 you know pauline Combe sees this object 324 00:17:11,299 --> 00:17:08,250 or this you know the children see the 325 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:11,309 subject I'm not but I'm greatly envious 326 00:17:16,819 --> 00:17:13,650 of people people who have because I 327 00:17:21,169 --> 00:17:16,829 think these experiences actually as many 328 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:21,179 as they are are very special and they're 329 00:17:24,170 --> 00:17:22,290 special 330 00:17:26,569 --> 00:17:24,180 because they're rare that's why they're 331 00:17:29,930 --> 00:17:26,579 special they're so rare and I would love 332 00:17:34,790 --> 00:17:29,940 to see something but Daniel is blue it 333 00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:34,800 oh yeah no as just listening to kind of 334 00:17:41,870 --> 00:17:35,760 forgot what request 335 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:41,880 oh okay first of all when you you know 336 00:17:46,460 --> 00:17:43,890 when you say the government and you 337 00:17:49,310 --> 00:17:46,470 might you might to consider you know the 338 00:17:51,050 --> 00:17:49,320 actual hierarchy like oh we're not I 339 00:17:52,850 --> 00:17:51,060 said we're not a hundred percent sure 340 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:52,860 I'm doing quite a lot of research that 341 00:17:58,400 --> 00:17:55,650 the government are necessarily at the 342 00:18:01,760 --> 00:17:58,410 top of the hierarchy so I may be 343 00:18:04,250 --> 00:18:01,770 proposed a possibility that depending on 344 00:18:07,130 --> 00:18:04,260 the level depending on the level in the 345 00:18:09,950 --> 00:18:07,140 area of government some people might you 346 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:09,960 know some people might have she not know 347 00:18:14,300 --> 00:18:12,090 what's going on themselves for example 348 00:18:18,190 --> 00:18:14,310 look I'm not saying this is necessarily 349 00:18:20,690 --> 00:18:18,200 true but in the US the CIA is suffering 350 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:20,700 30-something levels and the president 351 00:18:26,690 --> 00:18:24,450 can access something like number 17 or 352 00:18:31,610 --> 00:18:26,700 whatever I don't know it's the need to 353 00:18:36,110 --> 00:18:31,620 know yeah point the point is the point 354 00:18:40,130 --> 00:18:36,120 is very well made because you know it's 355 00:18:42,230 --> 00:18:40,140 very interesting Tony Blair specifically 356 00:18:42,740 --> 00:18:42,240 requested a briefing on the subject of 357 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:42,750 UFOs 358 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:47,730 so did Winston Churchill before he was 359 00:18:52,790 --> 00:18:50,010 elected David Cameron said he would look 360 00:18:55,090 --> 00:18:52,800 into it publicly he said that I don't 361 00:18:57,590 --> 00:18:55,100 know if he ever did 362 00:19:01,520 --> 00:18:57,600 Hillary Clinton has now said that she 363 00:19:04,820 --> 00:19:01,530 will Bill Clinton Bill Clinton at the 364 00:19:06,500 --> 00:19:04,830 time plaintiff did and the camp and 365 00:19:09,950 --> 00:19:06,510 Clinton's current campaign manager 366 00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:09,960 claims that they did like one of his 367 00:19:14,690 --> 00:19:12,480 biggest regrets working at for Obama is 368 00:19:16,790 --> 00:19:14,700 that he he wasn't able to open the files 369 00:19:19,190 --> 00:19:16,800 but that he wants to push this through 370 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:19,200 now are these people saying this because 371 00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:22,050 they think it's somehow popular with the 372 00:19:26,510 --> 00:19:23,760 electorate because so many people 373 00:19:28,940 --> 00:19:26,520 believe well maybe maybe not 374 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:28,950 because I don't know how many if you if 375 00:19:33,740 --> 00:19:32,490 I I know a great many people working in 376 00:19:38,810 --> 00:19:33,750 politics 377 00:19:41,870 --> 00:19:38,820 you if I was to go out to one of their 378 00:19:46,190 --> 00:19:41,880 gatherings and start talking about UFOs 379 00:19:48,500 --> 00:19:46,200 I probably get a few laughs so an indeed 380 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:48,510 if you look at the David Cameron pledged 381 00:19:51,950 --> 00:19:50,490 that well it answered that he gave in a 382 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:51,960 he felt obliged to make a joke at the 383 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:53,490 subject at the time and the question got 384 00:19:57,790 --> 00:19:56,730 a great many laughs so but come to come 385 00:20:00,740 --> 00:19:57,800 back to your point about 386 00:20:03,710 --> 00:20:00,750 compartmentalize information yes I in 387 00:20:07,850 --> 00:20:03,720 the United States that's absolutely the 388 00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:07,860 case there are projects that yes yes but 389 00:20:13,730 --> 00:20:11,280 I do think that it has the UFO 390 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:13,740 phenomenon being used to manipulate 391 00:20:18,590 --> 00:20:16,290 people and has information about the 392 00:20:21,230 --> 00:20:18,600 subject being leaked in a way which is 393 00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:21,240 designed to influence people absolutely 394 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:24,960 it has and you only have to look at the 395 00:20:30,380 --> 00:20:27,450 way in which the US government and the 396 00:20:33,230 --> 00:20:30,390 CIA in particular deliberately used the 397 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:33,240 myth of the UFO phenomenon during the 398 00:20:38,300 --> 00:20:36,210 Cold War to test fly their military 399 00:20:39,950 --> 00:20:38,310 aircraft because of course when they 400 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:39,960 were flying the u2 you out of the 401 00:20:45,700 --> 00:20:43,130 testing facility in Groom Lake Nevada 402 00:20:48,350 --> 00:20:45,710 they basically had a ready-made 403 00:20:50,300 --> 00:20:48,360 explanation in their hands if anyone 404 00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:50,310 decided to see one of these unpainted 405 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:52,320 objects and report it as a flying disc 406 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:54,690 that's what it was reported as it's a 407 00:20:59,570 --> 00:20:56,850 bits of flying it's also of course where 408 00:21:01,250 --> 00:20:59,580 they overstep the line actually quite 409 00:21:03,020 --> 00:21:01,260 recently I think this last year maybe 410 00:21:04,970 --> 00:21:03,030 the year before there's been the CIA 411 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:04,980 bent out on Twitter don't know how many 412 00:21:09,470 --> 00:21:07,050 of you saw it and said remember all 413 00:21:14,620 --> 00:21:09,480 those sightings of flying discs back in 414 00:21:16,850 --> 00:21:14,630 the 60s and 70s quote that was us well 415 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:16,860 all of the research that's been done 416 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:19,290 plotting the sightings of flying discs 417 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:21,690 over America from the summer of 1947 418 00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:24,690 right up to the pretty much you know in 419 00:21:30,260 --> 00:21:27,600 the 60s 70s and 80s all of them all of 420 00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:30,270 that work shows that the sightings did 421 00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:32,400 not overwhelmingly occur on the flight 422 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:35,280 path of the flight path of the u2 and 423 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:37,050 there are other and there other aircraft 424 00:21:41,630 --> 00:21:39,690 so they have an explanation at the time 425 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:41,640 they're quite willing to use that and 426 00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:43,530 twisting it around us yeah and now 427 00:21:46,910 --> 00:21:45,600 in UFOs it was just exactly and now 428 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:46,920 they're quite happy because what's 429 00:21:50,810 --> 00:21:48,570 what's that what's happened is these 430 00:21:52,730 --> 00:21:50,820 sightings still those sightings continue 431 00:21:54,740 --> 00:21:52,740 to this day not just blazing site 432 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:54,750 sightings of flying discs but sightings 433 00:21:58,370 --> 00:21:56,730 of triangular aircraft and of course 434 00:22:00,650 --> 00:21:58,380 everyone who's looked into this subject 435 00:22:02,060 --> 00:22:00,660 well it may be very tempting for people 436 00:22:04,550 --> 00:22:02,070 to say oh yes sightings of large 437 00:22:06,650 --> 00:22:04,560 triangular aircraft began back in the 438 00:22:08,780 --> 00:22:06,660 early 1980s well no they didn't actually 439 00:22:10,940 --> 00:22:08,790 if you go well back the sightings of 440 00:22:13,460 --> 00:22:10,950 these large triangular aircraft with 441 00:22:13,820 --> 00:22:13,470 lights at each corner go way way way 442 00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:13,830 back 443 00:22:18,380 --> 00:22:16,320 these are this isn't some sort of new 444 00:22:19,820 --> 00:22:18,390 phenomenon the reason it became very 445 00:22:21,980 --> 00:22:19,830 public as because of what happened in 446 00:22:24,260 --> 00:22:21,990 Belgium and that's why it became so 447 00:22:25,610 --> 00:22:24,270 public really put it on the map of 448 00:22:26,780 --> 00:22:25,620 course I suspect the stealth bomber has 449 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:26,790 something to do with it but I think it 450 00:22:31,100 --> 00:22:28,050 probably had nothing to do all this 451 00:22:34,580 --> 00:22:31,110 what was it I did 83 cases was it what 452 00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:34,590 south winds right so this is a IMS 453 00:22:41,540 --> 00:22:36,480 talking about a case which occurred in 454 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:41,550 South Wales in 1983 January 1983 when 455 00:22:47,030 --> 00:22:44,490 many people saw I think what you call 456 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:47,040 the night of the triangles this was many 457 00:22:54,290 --> 00:22:53,250 people saw two very large boat but some 458 00:22:57,020 --> 00:22:54,300 of the reports would say they were very 459 00:23:00,800 --> 00:22:57,030 large to very large triangular shaped 460 00:23:04,670 --> 00:23:00,810 objects with lights at each corner over 461 00:23:06,530 --> 00:23:04,680 over Swansea Valley well these these 462 00:23:11,150 --> 00:23:06,540 these craft as many people probably know 463 00:23:15,020 --> 00:23:11,160 we also seen in Cardiff all over the 464 00:23:16,730 --> 00:23:15,030 Gower and what was immensely impressive 465 00:23:18,050 --> 00:23:16,740 to me when I first became aware of this 466 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:18,060 because I was actually doing some 467 00:23:21,290 --> 00:23:19,530 research at the library to the Evening 468 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:21,300 Post and I came across there's a picture 469 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:23,610 I think many people have seen already of 470 00:23:27,950 --> 00:23:26,010 two triangles right next to each other 471 00:23:31,660 --> 00:23:27,960 that this lady had sketched in and drawn 472 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:31,670 and I followed up on that and I 473 00:23:36,140 --> 00:23:33,690 remembered somebody wrote to me telling 474 00:23:39,620 --> 00:23:36,150 me that they'd been driving driving 475 00:23:42,430 --> 00:23:39,630 along just as he come over the the 476 00:23:46,370 --> 00:23:42,440 common on down to prepare would common 477 00:23:47,660 --> 00:23:46,380 and they'd seen two very large objects 478 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:47,670 that were sort of pointing towards each 479 00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:51,090 other over the road and she said they 480 00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:54,000 were a very high treetop level and they 481 00:23:58,350 --> 00:23:55,600 were really really low 482 00:24:00,510 --> 00:23:58,360 humming the sound coming from them and a 483 00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:00,520 lit up like a Christmas treat with the 484 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:03,120 word cheese lit up like a Christmas tree 485 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:05,890 there's another one we have no Nazi 486 00:24:12,740 --> 00:24:07,690 there I'll go back to my notes see if 487 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:12,750 you've got 22 witness references now so 488 00:24:18,570 --> 00:24:17,410 23 22 23 people from that night I saw 489 00:24:26,490 --> 00:24:18,580 them at the same time a different 490 00:24:27,810 --> 00:24:26,500 posture Swansea yeah yeah and what's 491 00:24:32,370 --> 00:24:27,820 really interesting about these reports 492 00:24:33,630 --> 00:24:32,380 is that they were you know everyone 493 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:33,640 describes seeing these very large 494 00:24:39,450 --> 00:24:36,610 triangular objects and they continue to 495 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:39,460 be seen and of course today we live in a 496 00:24:44,090 --> 00:24:41,650 world where any one of us can go down 497 00:24:46,830 --> 00:24:44,100 the shop if we want and buy a 498 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:46,840 sophisticated drone and we all know they 499 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:48,610 make us a humming sound and we can fly 500 00:24:54,330 --> 00:24:51,610 them round and now the question in my 501 00:24:58,350 --> 00:24:54,340 mind is did they have that sort of 502 00:24:59,700 --> 00:24:58,360 technology back then well I'm sure they 503 00:25:01,080 --> 00:24:59,710 weren't selling it over the counter 504 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:01,090 because I think I would have wanted to 505 00:25:06,510 --> 00:25:03,130 buy one if they had at that time but 506 00:25:08,130 --> 00:25:06,520 they they the question is did the 507 00:25:10,830 --> 00:25:08,140 military have that technology 508 00:25:13,140 --> 00:25:10,840 I only suddenly had stealth bombers and 509 00:25:14,430 --> 00:25:13,150 all of that but so did that that's what 510 00:25:17,610 --> 00:25:14,440 that's an interesting question because I 511 00:25:19,620 --> 00:25:17,620 think it would be churlish for anyone to 512 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:19,630 just say right what people saw that 513 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:22,330 night was a drone and that's it and you 514 00:25:25,860 --> 00:25:23,650 know but I also think it'd be churlish 515 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:25,870 to just to discount the idea because 516 00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:27,370 I've always thought to myself why would 517 00:25:36,270 --> 00:25:32,320 you fly a top-secret aircraft over a 518 00:25:37,950 --> 00:25:36,280 heavily built-up area like Swansea they 519 00:25:41,610 --> 00:25:37,960 took like a Christmas tree lit up like a 520 00:25:44,010 --> 00:25:41,620 Christmas tree unless that's exactly 521 00:25:48,810 --> 00:25:44,020 what you want to do and what I mean by 522 00:25:54,029 --> 00:25:48,820 that is most drones are used to gather 523 00:25:56,850 --> 00:25:54,039 information about people living in 524 00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:56,860 built-up areas so you know you go out to 525 00:26:00,990 --> 00:25:58,210 the deed they use them in the desert 526 00:26:04,169 --> 00:26:01,000 they use it to to listen and onto people 527 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:04,179 to target people and if that is your 528 00:26:06,690 --> 00:26:05,890 objective if that's what you want to do 529 00:26:07,980 --> 00:26:06,700 then 530 00:26:10,650 --> 00:26:07,990 probably yes the first thing you would 531 00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:10,660 do is fly it over built a barrier if you 532 00:26:17,490 --> 00:26:14,130 were certain that it wouldn't be unsafe 533 00:26:19,230 --> 00:26:17,500 so I not one of these people who says 534 00:26:23,730 --> 00:26:19,240 you know what the scene that night had 535 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:23,740 to had to have been something on it 536 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:25,450 that's necessarily unexplained it might 537 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:26,890 well be that we can explain it but I 538 00:26:32,220 --> 00:26:30,490 would say this of the witnesses I spoke 539 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:32,230 to and you've obviously got you've 540 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:33,850 you've done a wonderful piece of work 541 00:26:38,790 --> 00:26:36,490 you you've found that so many people who 542 00:26:42,270 --> 00:26:38,800 saw it many of them do speak about 543 00:26:43,770 --> 00:26:42,280 something very big and certainly the 544 00:26:45,690 --> 00:26:43,780 witnesses I spoke to spoke about 545 00:26:48,990 --> 00:26:45,700 something very big and two of them as 546 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:49,000 well and I find I find that more 547 00:26:52,380 --> 00:26:51,010 difficult I find that more difficult 548 00:26:55,050 --> 00:26:52,390 because if there's one thing we know 549 00:27:01,040 --> 00:26:55,060 about drones is they tend to be good all 550 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:01,050 three three huge one a jet plane size 551 00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:11,520 was different 552 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:14,320 but either way you know as I stand by 553 00:27:18,990 --> 00:27:15,730 what I said at the beginning which is 554 00:27:21,150 --> 00:27:19,000 that are these things relapse of it yes 555 00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:21,160 and do our government know about them 556 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:23,200 absolutely yes and do they want to keep 557 00:27:28,740 --> 00:27:25,930 the secret from this I think but it yes 558 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:28,750 it's a very good call to write a pale 559 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:32,890 horse like there's a lot of this stuff 560 00:27:40,350 --> 00:27:37,930 right yeah yeah what's it called again 561 00:27:42,690 --> 00:27:40,360 to write the pale horse to ride a power 562 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:42,700 horse one of the very first conspiracy 563 00:27:55,910 --> 00:27:52,930 researchers he put in the path I'll look 564 00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:55,920 it up I'll look it up but I I just 565 00:28:01,500 --> 00:27:58,720 realized that I said to you earlier that 566 00:28:03,180 --> 00:28:01,510 I had a statement I'd read you if you'd 567 00:28:06,090 --> 00:28:03,190 like to hear it I'll happily read you 568 00:28:08,730 --> 00:28:06,100 this is this is a statement sent by one 569 00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:08,740 of the original witnesses to the broad 570 00:28:20,660 --> 00:28:14,320 Haven UFO sighting and this is from a 571 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:20,670 chap whose name is David Davis he says 572 00:28:27,930 --> 00:28:25,450 on the 4th of February 1977 a damp 573 00:28:30,690 --> 00:28:27,940 miserable day brought Haven school in 574 00:28:33,330 --> 00:28:30,700 Pembrokeshire receives a visitation but 575 00:28:34,370 --> 00:28:33,340 today 38 years later still remains 576 00:28:38,180 --> 00:28:34,380 unexplained 577 00:28:41,460 --> 00:28:38,190 the object was pearlescent silvery gray 578 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:41,470 approximately 40 feet long torpedo shape 579 00:28:46,260 --> 00:28:43,930 torpedo cigar shaped with an upper dome 580 00:28:48,090 --> 00:28:46,270 section that covered the third central 581 00:28:51,030 --> 00:28:48,100 third of the vehicle and which was 582 00:28:53,130 --> 00:28:51,040 topped with a red pulsating light I was 583 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:53,140 the last of a dozen or so children to 584 00:28:57,450 --> 00:28:55,330 see the object on that day and although 585 00:28:59,790 --> 00:28:57,460 my particular sighting only lasted just 586 00:29:02,040 --> 00:28:59,800 a few seconds what I saw that day 587 00:29:02,670 --> 00:29:02,050 imprinted itself on my memory like a 588 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:02,680 photograph 589 00:29:07,650 --> 00:29:05,490 I have never in the last 38 years 590 00:29:09,420 --> 00:29:07,660 exaggerated or sensationalized the 591 00:29:12,090 --> 00:29:09,430 account of what I saw 592 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:12,100 and never suggested that what we saw was 593 00:29:17,670 --> 00:29:15,010 of extraterrestrial origin and the truth 594 00:29:20,190 --> 00:29:17,680 of the matter is that despite years of 595 00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:20,200 extensive research I am still not really 596 00:29:23,230 --> 00:29:22,000 any closer to a satisfactory explanation 597 00:29:28,030 --> 00:29:23,240 for what we 598 00:29:29,919 --> 00:29:28,040 so many suggestions have been made the 599 00:29:32,260 --> 00:29:29,929 what we saw was either an agricultural 600 00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:32,270 vehicle an aircraft from leo by raf 601 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:34,640 braudy I'd like to state categorically 602 00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:37,730 that this is not the case as the 603 00:29:41,770 --> 00:29:39,200 majority of the children at the school 604 00:29:43,690 --> 00:29:41,780 myself included came from farming 605 00:29:46,660 --> 00:29:43,700 backgrounds and would have been able to 606 00:29:48,910 --> 00:29:46,670 identify any agricultural vehicle and 607 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:48,920 because of braudys proximity we were 608 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:52,130 also familiar with almost every RAF 609 00:29:57,310 --> 00:29:54,290 aircraft in the skies 610 00:29:59,470 --> 00:29:57,320 it was also independently verified that 611 00:30:01,660 --> 00:29:59,480 no vehicle was at the location of the 612 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:01,670 sighting on that day and that because of 613 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:03,530 the boggy ground it was impossible for 614 00:30:10,690 --> 00:30:07,730 any vehicle to be there our sighting was 615 00:30:12,910 --> 00:30:10,700 not the last visit to the school though 616 00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:12,920 and I've been known to the children and 617 00:30:17,950 --> 00:30:15,200 most of the small community the craft 618 00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:17,960 returned a few days later and was on 619 00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:19,760 this occasion seen by a teacher and 620 00:30:28,590 --> 00:30:24,110 three of the canteen staff finally I 621 00:30:33,910 --> 00:30:28,600 just like to add that we witnesses 622 00:30:36,460 --> 00:30:33,920 myself included myself especially as the 623 00:30:41,290 --> 00:30:36,470 most vocal have had to endure 38 years 624 00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:41,300 of accusations for lying and some of the 625 00:30:45,910 --> 00:30:44,000 most horrific bullying imaginable yet 626 00:30:47,530 --> 00:30:45,920 throughout all that I have stuck 627 00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:47,540 steadfastly to the account 628 00:30:52,390 --> 00:30:50,240 I gave right from the start and I shall 629 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:52,400 continue to do so until my last breath 630 00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:55,610 or until this matter is solved once and 631 00:31:03,070 --> 00:31:00,080 for all signed David Davis when I asked 632 00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:03,080 mr. Davis about any potential lod 633 00:31:12,790 --> 00:31:08,960 interest he said there was certainly mo 634 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:12,800 D staff from raf brodie who came to ask 635 00:31:19,510 --> 00:31:17,210 us a few questions although i'm unsure 636 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:19,520 as to whether this was part of an 637 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:22,730 official inquiry or not and may have 638 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:30,860 perhaps we'll never know but 639 00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:33,210 I think it's different for everybody to 640 00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:36,960 make their own minds up well when did 641 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:40,320 you contact him that was in October last 642 00:31:47,060 --> 00:31:42,690 year 643 00:31:48,380 --> 00:31:47,070 yeah yeah so we had a herd of David L 644 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:48,390 Richards you brought the book you were 645 00:31:55,730 --> 00:31:51,330 four whales I have yeah he contacted 646 00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:55,740 David Davis in about 2001 11:00 service 647 00:32:00,890 --> 00:31:58,320 same thing what so he didn't read a 648 00:32:03,860 --> 00:32:00,900 statement coming out he just David give 649 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:03,870 us a talk last year about it well if you 650 00:32:10,340 --> 00:32:07,050 want to read more of what you said he 651 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:10,350 won't he did that because then when this 652 00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:13,530 when this book came out vine of all the 653 00:32:18,650 --> 00:32:15,120 Watchers when this came out in October 654 00:32:20,990 --> 00:32:18,660 last year we were contacted by 655 00:32:23,390 --> 00:32:21,000 journalists and actually what happened 656 00:32:25,580 --> 00:32:23,400 is that David spoke to the press so if 657 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:25,590 you go online you can google for tape 658 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:27,810 and UFO and Google News and you'll see 659 00:32:31,340 --> 00:32:29,850 that the full article and you'll see 660 00:32:32,930 --> 00:32:31,350 there's more research more about it 661 00:32:34,460 --> 00:32:32,940 there as well this was as well with the 662 00:32:40,340 --> 00:32:34,470 luck it's it's quite interesting 663 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:40,350 Steve would you end up to do sorry could 664 00:32:46,930 --> 00:32:43,050 he stayed a bit low just that we have a 665 00:32:49,130 --> 00:32:46,940 new subject many years this seems to be 666 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:49,140 from my point of view that seems to be 667 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:53,490 that always a paranormal element to the 668 00:32:59,630 --> 00:32:56,370 phenomena so much so that the old 669 00:33:02,120 --> 00:32:59,640 hypothesis of nuts-and-bolts seems to be 670 00:33:04,250 --> 00:33:02,130 falling away it seems to be coming in 671 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:04,260 too 672 00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:07,810 interline with the Nick Bostrom idea of 673 00:33:11,970 --> 00:33:10,240 a kind of simulation hypothesis we're 674 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:11,980 kind of living in a matrix tent that's 675 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:14,050 had a lot of traction in the last month 676 00:33:19,010 --> 00:33:16,090 or so with Elon Musk a mountain said 677 00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:19,020 we'll probably there is no matrix 678 00:33:27,540 --> 00:33:21,910 bearing that in mind what do you think 679 00:33:33,060 --> 00:33:27,550 is going on what do you think to do all 680 00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:33,070 the other the other backers so what do I 681 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:36,640 think is going on given the many and I 682 00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:38,290 just met because I don't think the 683 00:33:45,030 --> 00:33:40,480 powers that be or the pose that think 684 00:33:46,830 --> 00:33:45,040 they I think that's why there hasn't 685 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:46,840 been this seems to be a drip feed of 686 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:48,730 disclosure but I I think they won't 687 00:33:54,660 --> 00:33:50,890 disclose what the hell's going on really 688 00:33:57,930 --> 00:33:54,670 okay it's a good question and Steve I I 689 00:34:01,710 --> 00:33:57,940 think that I think that if you go back 690 00:34:03,870 --> 00:34:01,720 through all of the the the official 691 00:34:06,990 --> 00:34:03,880 documents on this it's really quite 692 00:34:09,330 --> 00:34:07,000 clear that there's a there's a huge 693 00:34:11,220 --> 00:34:09,340 amount of confusion in government on 694 00:34:15,390 --> 00:34:11,230 this and there's also a huge 695 00:34:17,940 --> 00:34:15,400 unwillingness for people to demonstrate 696 00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:17,950 an interest even if they are interested 697 00:34:25,290 --> 00:34:21,280 because they're afraid of ridicule but I 698 00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:25,300 I do agree that if you were to do so 699 00:34:28,980 --> 00:34:26,560 there are two there are two parts to 700 00:34:31,380 --> 00:34:28,990 this so if you if you accept as I do 701 00:34:33,450 --> 00:34:31,390 that if many of these sightings have 702 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:33,460 this sort of undercurrent of paranormal 703 00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:37,570 phenomena going on it makes it even more 704 00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:40,240 difficult for people to talk about it 705 00:34:43,890 --> 00:34:41,590 because although people can get their 706 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:43,900 heads around the craft from outer space 707 00:34:48,420 --> 00:34:46,570 may be visiting us the truth of the 708 00:34:52,020 --> 00:34:48,430 matter is if you talk to a witness of 709 00:34:54,990 --> 00:34:52,030 the UFO especially a witness to a close 710 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:55,000 encounter you'll quickly discover a 711 00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:56,530 number of things you'll quickly discover 712 00:35:01,350 --> 00:34:59,920 that person has the tap perhaps seen a 713 00:35:03,180 --> 00:35:01,360 ghost in their time or believes they've 714 00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:03,190 seen an apparition you'll quickly 715 00:35:09,810 --> 00:35:06,510 discover they have a sensitivity to 716 00:35:11,700 --> 00:35:09,820 electricity that they may have seen 717 00:35:14,220 --> 00:35:11,710 globes of light around their home or 718 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:14,230 nearby 719 00:35:19,470 --> 00:35:15,970 that they may have spoken in the night a 720 00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:19,480 sense of presence in the room perhaps or 721 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:21,040 perhaps not paralyzed while suffering 722 00:35:28,650 --> 00:35:24,130 from you know sleep paralysis but these 723 00:35:31,890 --> 00:35:28,660 things coalesce and I think it would be 724 00:35:34,530 --> 00:35:31,900 churlish of us to discount the 725 00:35:36,210 --> 00:35:34,540 possibility that there are simply some 726 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:36,220 people who are capable of seeing things 727 00:35:44,460 --> 00:35:38,890 that other people are not capable of 728 00:35:45,540 --> 00:35:44,470 seeing Steven I've that's we've come to 729 00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:45,550 that conclusion as well because we've 730 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:48,240 interviewed a few people know who have 731 00:35:52,260 --> 00:35:50,650 say they display well they've got a 732 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:52,270 certain amount of psychic ability and 733 00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:55,210 they do sense other things and they've 734 00:36:03,960 --> 00:35:59,200 seen it is it is it just it is a common 735 00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:03,970 theme and the other thing I've detected 736 00:36:09,540 --> 00:36:07,359 is this association with electricity so 737 00:36:14,070 --> 00:36:09,550 people who are letter are electrically 738 00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:14,080 hypersensitive that tend to be sometimes 739 00:36:18,180 --> 00:36:15,730 not always and sometimes living close to 740 00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:18,190 electrical pylons of things like that 741 00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:21,040 but they there was a there was a 742 00:36:25,140 --> 00:36:22,510 connection here that I don't profess to 743 00:36:27,300 --> 00:36:25,150 be able to understand or explain but I 744 00:36:29,310 --> 00:36:27,310 do think and I'll give you an example 745 00:36:31,380 --> 00:36:29,320 there was a case you may have seen it in 746 00:36:34,050 --> 00:36:31,390 your files but there was going back to 747 00:36:37,470 --> 00:36:34,060 the 1990s probably the late 1990s there 748 00:36:39,740 --> 00:36:37,480 was a lady that I met who had seen what 749 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:39,750 she described as an object hovering over 750 00:36:45,930 --> 00:36:44,170 this in Petra queeth hovering over the 751 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:45,940 house opposite she woke in the night 752 00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:48,490 a bit like the hotel yeah oh yeah in 753 00:36:54,780 --> 00:36:52,000 yeah and she saw this what she described 754 00:36:57,720 --> 00:36:54,790 as a Michelin Man hovering over the roof 755 00:36:59,700 --> 00:36:57,730 which sounds absolutely absurd right of 756 00:37:01,470 --> 00:36:59,710 the face of it and she said it left a 757 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:01,480 patch where this thing had been and I 758 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:02,890 slide looked away I went to have a look 759 00:37:06,750 --> 00:37:04,450 in it but it looked to me like that a 760 00:37:08,460 --> 00:37:06,760 sort of patch that have been left 761 00:37:12,750 --> 00:37:08,470 because of the chimney above it was some 762 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:12,760 sort of I don't know but all I do know 763 00:37:16,830 --> 00:37:14,410 is that after she told me about this 764 00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:16,840 sighting I quickly learned that she'd 765 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:18,880 had other sightings of strange things 766 00:37:24,510 --> 00:37:20,530 and this you know this interest in 767 00:37:26,750 --> 00:37:24,520 psychic phenomena and I I do I 768 00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:26,760 absolutely do not believe that 769 00:37:31,220 --> 00:37:29,520 with people here who have overactive 770 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:31,230 imaginations or anything like that 771 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:33,090 I generally don't believe that am I 772 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:35,610 understand I understand why people who 773 00:37:40,010 --> 00:37:37,410 are not familiar with the subject might 774 00:37:42,050 --> 00:37:40,020 leap upon that and say that's the case 775 00:37:43,580 --> 00:37:42,060 and I understand they might say that 776 00:37:45,380 --> 00:37:43,590 because basically when you're talking 777 00:37:47,390 --> 00:37:45,390 about evidence you've basically got 778 00:37:49,370 --> 00:37:47,400 three four four sorts of evidence you've 779 00:37:51,530 --> 00:37:49,380 got you've got a witness testimony 780 00:37:53,870 --> 00:37:51,540 you've got photographic testimony and 781 00:37:55,970 --> 00:37:53,880 you've got physical traces evidence and 782 00:37:58,250 --> 00:37:55,980 then finally you've got the weight of 783 00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:58,260 all the evidence as a contrary that says 784 00:38:04,220 --> 00:38:00,960 none of this has happened to me and 785 00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:04,230 therefore when you weigh it all up to 786 00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:05,730 those people who haven't experienced it 787 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:08,910 that makes that but that makes that has 788 00:38:13,870 --> 00:38:10,290 a powerful difference but I would 789 00:38:17,390 --> 00:38:13,880 contend that when you take when you take 790 00:38:19,220 --> 00:38:17,400 the evidence from our own experience and 791 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:19,230 when you take the evidence from 792 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:21,450 photographic work or when you take the 793 00:38:26,350 --> 00:38:23,490 evidence from ground traces radiation 794 00:38:30,140 --> 00:38:26,360 marks and you bring it all together 795 00:38:32,450 --> 00:38:30,150 that evidence outweighs what they would 796 00:38:34,060 --> 00:38:32,460 say has never happened and I think that 797 00:38:36,110 --> 00:38:34,070 is steadily the conclusion that 798 00:38:38,060 --> 00:38:36,120 governments who have studied this and 799 00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,070 commissioned top-secret studies of it 800 00:38:42,170 --> 00:38:40,560 are coming to and certainly I think 801 00:38:44,900 --> 00:38:42,180 there will be a day when people when 802 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:44,910 people think oh I remember me laughed 803 00:38:48,410 --> 00:38:46,170 about all these people who saw those 804 00:38:50,060 --> 00:38:48,420 things you know and will to simply 805 00:38:58,570 --> 00:38:50,070 understand it but I think we're a stage 806 00:39:03,620 --> 00:39:01,190 flying saucers negative on traveling 807 00:39:05,780 --> 00:39:03,630 distances we're really a lot of it is in 808 00:39:08,060 --> 00:39:05,790 the dimensional where it's like we talk 809 00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:08,070 about spirits and course to some people 810 00:39:11,630 --> 00:39:09,510 just look at you stupid but if you 811 00:39:14,270 --> 00:39:11,640 actually bring the universe down in the 812 00:39:16,460 --> 00:39:14,280 frequencies which is what this these are 813 00:39:18,500 --> 00:39:16,470 just consciousness or entities that have 814 00:39:22,430 --> 00:39:18,510 migrated in at a different frequency and 815 00:39:24,170 --> 00:39:22,440 the occasionally come into our yeah it's 816 00:39:25,790 --> 00:39:24,180 it's a compelling theory right because 817 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:25,800 scientists are now saying that you are 818 00:39:29,870 --> 00:39:28,650 able to influence that as a quantum 819 00:39:31,490 --> 00:39:29,880 level you were able to influence 820 00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:31,500 something happening somewhere else even 821 00:39:36,110 --> 00:39:34,320 touching it I hang on what it sounds 822 00:39:37,790 --> 00:39:36,120 like something out of a science fiction 823 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:37,800 film but there you know suddenly they're 824 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:39,930 saying so what's what's possible today 825 00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:41,970 what's impossible today can sometimes 826 00:39:45,230 --> 00:39:44,160 suddenly become possible and that's why 827 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:45,240 I think when you're studying this 828 00:39:49,340 --> 00:39:47,610 subject it's probably it's prudent thing 829 00:39:50,810 --> 00:39:49,350 lots is not to just rush to conclusions 830 00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:50,820 they've got to be this they gotta be 831 00:39:54,140 --> 00:39:53,250 that Street this we don't know then if 832 00:39:55,940 --> 00:39:54,150 it's anyone you know you're not 833 00:39:57,730 --> 00:39:55,950 government's don't know I think they 834 00:40:00,040 --> 00:39:57,740 generally don't know if they don't know 835 00:40:03,890 --> 00:40:00,050 how are we gonna know but I understand 836 00:40:06,830 --> 00:40:03,900 yeah can I take you back to the Pistons 837 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:06,840 cares for all of us getting out we were 838 00:40:12,410 --> 00:40:10,130 used but now the people said to me 839 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:12,420 people laughed about all that you know 840 00:40:16,940 --> 00:40:14,610 it shouldn't have laughed you know fuel 841 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:16,950 people people in the area 842 00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:18,570 what what's really interesting about all 843 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:20,160 the people who live near ripest and farm 844 00:40:27,020 --> 00:40:24,570 even to this day is that they're really 845 00:40:30,290 --> 00:40:27,030 open minded about it it's a bit they're 846 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:30,300 all I it was odd but but I was I was 847 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:32,970 finishing the book and I was staying and 848 00:40:37,070 --> 00:40:34,410 I hired a little cottage and I went 849 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:37,080 there and I I was working on it and I 850 00:40:44,660 --> 00:40:42,090 spoke to some people and they were 851 00:40:46,070 --> 00:40:44,670 telling me about how they'd see that the 852 00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:46,080 havenport would tell them that on the 853 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:47,520 cliffs was supposed to be haunted by a 854 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:49,770 white lady and I said oh what do you 855 00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:51,210 think of this story about the white lady 856 00:40:56,180 --> 00:40:52,710 and you know there are a couple of 857 00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:56,190 people laughing in the bar and there was 858 00:40:59,420 --> 00:40:57,930 a chap sort of hunched over his beer in 859 00:41:02,150 --> 00:40:59,430 the corner I can see he was earwigging 860 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:02,160 and after they went away and he caught 861 00:41:07,130 --> 00:41:05,130 me open he said to me you're interested 862 00:41:09,650 --> 00:41:07,140 in all these stories about UFOs he's a 863 00:41:11,450 --> 00:41:09,660 yeah I got a story to tell you and he 864 00:41:14,690 --> 00:41:11,460 starts telling me about his own sighting 865 00:41:16,370 --> 00:41:14,700 and what was interesting to me was that 866 00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:16,380 this small community was quite happy to 867 00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:18,510 laugh about the white lady on the cliffs 868 00:41:21,710 --> 00:41:20,070 that someone might have might have seen 869 00:41:24,650 --> 00:41:21,720 but in the next breath they're going to 870 00:41:27,140 --> 00:41:24,660 sit down and tell you all about the UFOs 871 00:41:29,540 --> 00:41:27,150 fighting and I think you know it's a 872 00:41:31,220 --> 00:41:29,550 great many people there who have who 873 00:41:32,690 --> 00:41:31,230 have seen things I actually bumped into 874 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:32,700 a woman who said she means she does that 875 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:34,410 she just moved there she was walking her 876 00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:36,210 dogs and she said to me she had 877 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:38,910 absolutely no idea that this place was a 878 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:41,370 UFO hotspot and I told her this and then 879 00:41:44,260 --> 00:41:42,810 man you should have seen her mouth drop 880 00:41:46,990 --> 00:41:44,270 because she said to me you kid 881 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:47,000 me she said I saw something I saw 882 00:41:50,260 --> 00:41:48,890 something a few nights back she said 883 00:41:53,020 --> 00:41:50,270 were these two lights in the sky they 884 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:53,030 were dancing around together she said I 885 00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:55,370 saw something should know I'd never knew 886 00:41:59,710 --> 00:41:57,200 this was a UFO she I'm gonna go look it 887 00:42:01,930 --> 00:41:59,720 up and this is a woman I met walking her 888 00:42:03,850 --> 00:42:01,940 dogs and I kid you not and it was 889 00:42:05,140 --> 00:42:03,860 standing just on that damn marine roads 890 00:42:09,850 --> 00:42:05,150 and he had the poor tape from primary 891 00:42:11,830 --> 00:42:09,860 school but I met this woman so yeah it 892 00:42:13,300 --> 00:42:11,840 never ceases to amaze me to sleep any 893 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:13,310 research as well he was there anything